More Math for More People

Episode 5.15: Look Up in the Sky! It's the CPM Teacher Conference!

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Ready for a feel-good jolt of purpose and practical ideas to carry you into the new year? We kick off with National Underdog Day, then connect that spirit to math classrooms where identity, equity, and agency drive the work. The conversation builds toward a big announcement: the CPM Teacher Conference returns to San Francisco on February 21–22, 2026, with an energized program designed to meet teachers where they are and help them go further.

We share the details educators care about. Dr. Eugenia Cheng brings a keynote on the math of inequality and how things add up—or don’t—in real life, with on-site book signings. Peter Liljedahl from Building Thinking Classrooms leads two sessions, while Eli Luberoff from Desmos delivers a couple of sessions and the closing general session. Expect twelve concurrent sessions across five blocks, with threads for discourse, reading, literacy, and technology, and BTC. The Ignite talks wrap Saturday with rapid-fire inspiration that always sparks Monday-ready ideas. Exhibitors like WipeBook and TODOS join the mix, plus a space for hands-on Q&A about CPM curriculum and professional learning.

The heart of the episode is human. Chi Lo, one of our Join Them on Their Journey teachers, reflects on how the CMC-North conference helped keep the flame alive—reminding them that math should feel human and affirming. Jessie Todd, our other JTOTJ teacher, shares how fidelity to student-centered structures meant their class kept learning even with a substitute which can be attributed to routines and clear storylines in the curriculum. 

If you’re craving community, practical strategies, and a renewed belief that students can own their math learning, this one’s for you. Subscribe, share with a colleague who needs a December boost, and leave a review with your favorite underdog story—and maybe we’ll read a few on an upcoming episode.

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SPEAKER_03:

You are listening to the More Math for More People podcast, an outreach of CPM educational program. Boom.

SPEAKER_02:

Joel, this is the last podcast that we'll have for this year.

SPEAKER_04:

Of 2025?

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Of 2025, indeed.

SPEAKER_04:

The last one.

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Yeah. When when people hear us again, if they are listening these in order, it will be 2026. I know. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_04:

That is crazy.

SPEAKER_02:

I can't believe that it's the end of 2025 already.

SPEAKER_04:

We just start. Didn't we just like start?

SPEAKER_02:

I think that's what it feels like. Yeah. I think that's one of the signs of getting old, right? Is that time just goes faster until time doesn't go faster anymore? I don't know. Well, it's December 16th. So it's like December's almost over, you know, half over, and with the holidays, it's pretty much over. So what's the national day today?

SPEAKER_04:

It is National Underdog Day.

SPEAKER_02:

National Underdog Day? Like the cartoon?

SPEAKER_04:

No.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh.

SPEAKER_04:

I know. And we should talk about the cartoon because I used to have my underdog t-shirt. That was one of my favorite t-shirts that I had.

SPEAKER_02:

I remember that cartoon.

SPEAKER_04:

But yes, it's playing. No. I think I dressed as underdog for Halloween one time.

SPEAKER_05:

Oh.

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Yeah, my cake.

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I bet.

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My red jammies.

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Nice.

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Yeah.

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Okay, so it's not that underdog.

SPEAKER_04:

No, it's about just underdogs anywhere. So like let's say and this just came up because you and I were talking about a football game and then the Minnesota Vikings are continually an underdog every week.

SPEAKER_02:

They were 11 and a half point underdog in the Seahawk game the other day.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh boy. Yeah, it's celebrating those not expected success who get success, I guess.

SPEAKER_02:

Who get success?

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Wait. I mean, then they're no longer the underdogs when they get the success.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, no, the underdog's gotta win sometime.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh no. The Mariners haven't won yet.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, you gotta keep them motivated. You're gonna be able to do that. 2026, maybe for gem to keep pushing forward.

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When I so okay, so I I come by rooting for the underdog from a very specific instance I remember when I was younger, watching some sporting event that I don't remember what a sporting event it was. Might have been like World Series or something, and asking my dad, like, oh dad, who are we rooting for? Right. Because I wanted to know which team we were rooting for. And he, I think it might have been like the World Series, because I think he said something like, I remember him saying that they were rooting for the Royals because they had never won the World Series at that time. So he was like, Oh, so I just learned from my dad that if if I don't have a dog in the race, so to speak, then I root for the underdog in the race. So or sometimes when I don't really care about who wins and I just want a good game, I root for whoever's behind.

SPEAKER_04:

Oh, that would be an underdog.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. So yeah. But yeah, I definitely I think I feel like soft spot in my heart for the underdogs. Unless they're playing my team. Then I want my team to win.

SPEAKER_04:

So do you think that your team is ever thought of as the underdog?

SPEAKER_02:

Or do you think that the uh you welcome the underdogs into your uh historically speaking, many of teams that I have rooted for have been the underdogs until recently, like with the Seahawks, for example. But yeah, there's I think that uh so I do have some teams I root for, but then if I don't, like I said, like if I I am generally pulling for the underdog.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, I think I am too. I I read a study one time where let's say by definition, your team or your situation is not an underdog. I'm gonna say team, because it had to do with sports. And they're not an underdog. But they're playing a team that is an underdog. The fans that root for the underdog, their brain actually develops differently it like it makes different connections with creativity, with compromise, with empathy. Whereas if your team is not an underdog, you don't make as many connections in your brain. I'm not saying anything about anybody.

SPEAKER_02:

No, no, but uh Well, there's some part of maybe like you don't feel the need to have to like compromise or cooperate. You're like, oh well, we're gonna win.

SPEAKER_04:

So I wonder when they say your brain, you only use what is it, 10% of our brains? Something like that. So underdog fans, 15%. That's all I'm saying.

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Okay. Please do not fact check that. No. We it is probably not true.

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Probably not.

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All right. So we have a whole day to celebrate the underdog.

SPEAKER_04:

Yay.

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Yeah. Who, when they win, do they not, are they no that's this is the question. Like once they win, then they're not the underdog.

SPEAKER_04:

I think they still are.

SPEAKER_02:

I think they were the underdog at that point.

SPEAKER_04:

But then they're not underdogs anymore.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, I don't know. It depends on guess when they go to their next game or next thing. I always think of it in the terms of sports. I'm not sure I think of it in any other term.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, let me give you this.

SPEAKER_02:

There has to be competition for it to be the underdog.

SPEAKER_04:

Well, one way to celebrate is that you could dress up like a famous underdog. And the example that's given is is Robin of Batman and Robin.

SPEAKER_02:

What?

SPEAKER_04:

They're considering Robin the underdog.

SPEAKER_02:

How's Robin the underdog? I know that doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_04:

I'm just I'm using the internet because he's trying.

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Well, that was your first problem. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Huh. I yeah. I am gonna say that. I'm skeptical on that's what I'm gonna say. That was a broad definition of underdog. Broad. Because you weren't that makes it seem like you're just the sidekick. I don't think sidekicks and underdogs are synonymous.

SPEAKER_04:

No, I don't think that's true either.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, so what so you could you could dress up as Robin.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

What other choices do we have?

SPEAKER_04:

Suggestions are to encourage an underdog to keep them motivated, which I'm not sure how if I was the underdog, maybe I am the underdog. But if somebody was encouraging me out of the blue to cute to keep me motivated, I I might wonder why. And then maybe you have an underdog story. Personally, I would embrace the cartoon. Because that's my favorite version of underdog.

SPEAKER_02:

That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna try to find some episodes of underdog, you know, the internet.

SPEAKER_04:

It'll be well worth your time.

SPEAKER_00:

Indeed.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay, well, go out and celebrate National Underdog Day and however you choose. I mean, there's lots of literal ways and figurative ways that you can do so. I like it. Do you know that do you know that CPM has a has a conference?

SPEAKER_04:

I've heard.

SPEAKER_02:

Oh yeah. Yeah. So CPM has a teacher conference and it's coming up in February, end of February.

SPEAKER_04:

Of 2026.

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Of 2026, yes, which we just said is coming very soon. So it's only like two months away right now. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, we're back in San Francisco, aren't we?

SPEAKER_02:

We are back in San Francisco, back in Burlingame at the Hyatt Regency there, where we were for many years before we decided to go on the road trip to LA and San Diego. And now we're back in San Francisco. It's gonna be February 21st and 22nd for the conference, which is a Saturday Friday, no, which is a Saturday and a Sunday.

SPEAKER_04:

Correct.

SPEAKER_02:

All day Saturday, half day Sunday. There's gonna be so many cool things happening there.

SPEAKER_04:

Well uh what's one of them?

SPEAKER_02:

Well, you're gonna be in charge of one of them. Which is I mean, you're gonna be in charge of several of them, probably. Well, so I mean, so okay, I don't even know where to start. So we're gonna have a pretty cool keynote speaker.

SPEAKER_04:

Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

Dr. Eugenia Chang. Yes. And I like she has a book out where she like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna totally flail on this. She's a British mathematics educator, that I know that. And she like does this stuff with, she's a pianist also. So she really connects like math and music. Her new book is called Unequal, the Math of When Things Do and Don't Add Up. So she's gonna be talking about that. She's got she's gonna be uh selling her books there and signing them as well. I think we're still working on those details, but she's so she's doing our keynote.

SPEAKER_04:

Yep.

SPEAKER_02:

That's the first part. Um I'm still hoping she's gonna ask for a piano. She hasn't asked for a piano.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay. That'd be cool. That would be very cool.

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Yeah. And then we have all kinds of sessions. There's like 12 concurrent sessions.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

Five different session sets, like three on Saturday, two on Sunday. 75 minutes long. Fantastic. Teachers doing lots of sessions. So many cool sessions. We've got like several threads for like discourse, reading, technology. We've got some people doing stuff about AI. We do have a lot of things circle like that are with building thinking classrooms. It's a very hot topic, as you know. It is. In fact, we have Peter Lilidal, who'll be there, who's going to be there. Yes. He's going to do two sessions on Saturday. So I think one before lunch, one after lunch. And then we have also Eli Loubaroff from Desmos Calculators, who's going to come and do two sessions for us. Plus, Eli is going to do a closing session. So at the end of the day, or though, the end of the conference, which is midday on Sunday.

SPEAKER_04:

On Sunday.

SPEAKER_02:

Yep. He's going to do a closing session for us for like a general session for everybody. So everybody will get to see Eli at that. And then some people will be able to see Eli or Peter do a session throughout. And kind of the highlight. Um highlight at the end of the day Saturday, as you know, we have the Ignite.

SPEAKER_04:

The Ignite Talks. I know. I'm excited for that.

SPEAKER_02:

Tell us, tell us about the Ignite Talks.

SPEAKER_04:

So I I without spoiling any surprises, but you know, the Ignite are those short talks, five minutes long, slides are moving, and it's people talking about what they're passionate about. Every time I've seen them, I've always been inspired by the Ignite talks. So I'm really excited about that part.

SPEAKER_02:

And do you can people, if they want to do an Ignite session, should they reach out to you? Do you still looking for people?

SPEAKER_04:

No, yeah. If they if folks are still interested, there's still time on the schedule. So we're going to start solidifying here after the 2026 comes around. So after the holiday kind of business office break that we have, things will start to get more formalized. But if you still have interest, if you still want to participate, there's room for you. And we'd love to hear what you are passionate about as well.

SPEAKER_02:

Cool. So that's that's like the pretty much the conference rundown. Like, and you get that, you get breakfast and lunch Saturday, breakfast on Sunday. Yep.

SPEAKER_04:

I mean I'd I'd I'd also add we're trying something new this year.

SPEAKER_02:

Well, we're trying many things new. What's this one?

SPEAKER_04:

And I and I like trying new things, but we are gonna have surprised me. Kind of an exhibit area. So we're gonna have some some places where you could come and just talk to folks, like where people can come, just answer all the questions because there's so many changes happening with CPM, like the the different types of curriculums we're offering, the professional learning we're offering, the materials that we're offering. So it'll be a great place to get information. I know you had mentioned Dr. Chang's gonna be signing books, Peter Lilidal's gonna be signing books. So we'll have a lot of space for that activity too.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, so we'll definitely we'll have a little exhibitor space. We're gonna have a CPM booth there. Uh, like I said, Dr. Chang will have some of her books, BTC, so Billing Thinking Costumes gonna have a table with books and things, and then who else is gonna be there? Other exhibitors are we gonna have?

SPEAKER_04:

So White Book is involved, and White Book has always been generous and a great partner for us as far as working with the conferences and things like that, so they're gonna have a spot. And then also Todos will be there. And so if you want to get more information about Todos or sign up to be a member or anything like that, they'll be there as well with uh local representation.

SPEAKER_02:

Awesome. Yeah. And then if that's not enough. Oh my gosh. We also have on Friday, the day before the conference, we have a pre-conference.

SPEAKER_04:

We do.

SPEAKER_02:

We do have a pre-conference. So there'll be, oh my gosh, there's so many sessions at the pre-conference. I'm gonna have to look up to even get the list. Hold on one second here. All right. So at the pre-conference, first, first thing to know is that Peter Liladal is doing an opening session for the pre-conference. So if you are sign up for the pre-conference, you can come to the opening session, which will be Peter doing like something amazing, as Peter always does, having a wonderful talk. And then there are two building thinking classrooms-related pre-conference sessions. One is getting started with building thinking classrooms. So if you haven't done much with building thinking classrooms yet, maybe you read the book, maybe you haven't. Doesn't matter. You can come to the getting started with building thinking classrooms. And then if you've done some things with building thinking classrooms, maybe you've already tried vertical non-permanent surfaces, maybe you've already tried some like random teams and things like that, then you could come to the next steps with building thinking classrooms. So we kind of have two this year, so that some people have been to those before and now they can have a second thing. Then we also have activating agency for multilingual learners. So really looking at how you can help your multilingual learners be successful in your classroom. We have equity in the classroom. We have supporting students with exceptionalities. So really focusing on that inclusion. We have power of productive struggle. That's new this year. We haven't done that one before. So really focusing on helping with that productive struggle in the classroom.

SPEAKER_05:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

And then we have just making sure, okay. Yep. And then we have two that are more for leaders and coaches. We have one that is foundations for coaching, which we've done every year. Really, and it's gonna focus on using our instructional coaching toolkit book to create people going with coaching. And then also leading for change, which is also for leaders. And then the last one we have I have so many pre-conference sessions, is making the connections California framework. So that's another one, which now the California framework's gone up. We've got all these things going. What's on the list? CBM is on the list, then it'll help people connecting to those ideas. So those are all your pre-conference options.

SPEAKER_04:

That's awesome. And thinking about building thinking classrooms, it really sounds like that mild, medium, spicy offering. There you go.

SPEAKER_02:

So there you go. There's a mild, medium, spicy for everybody. That's right. So yeah, and it's it's just gonna be a great time. There's so many opportunities to connect with other CPM teachers of all different experience levels. We're gonna have some threads to help people decide if they're new to CPM, which are some of the better sessions for them, or if they're really experienced with CPM, what are some of the better sessions for them? So it's gonna be a great time.

SPEAKER_04:

I think so too.

SPEAKER_02:

So if you haven't signed up yet, you still have time. When when is that I mean, it would be it would be really sad if you were like, oh, sorry, you missed it. It was yesterday. So the next, let's see, the early bird's already done. So you already you missed out on that part. Sorry. But the so the main conference, like our regular registration ends on January 18th.

SPEAKER_04:

Okay.

SPEAKER_02:

And then January 19th, you could still register, but it's gonna cost you more. Right.$50 more-ish. And then that goes through February 2nd. February 2nd is the last day you can get in. You cannot add after that.

SPEAKER_04:

And I assume there's a uh like we have a conference code for hotel if you wanted to stay or if you wanted to.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, for sure, for sure. So the Hyatt Regency has a room block for us when you get a discount on the rooms. I think it ends up being about, I was gonna say it's about 225 once you roll in all the like taxes and things like that for the room per night. Absolutely.

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Cool, we're gonna be a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little bitone. This is Chi calling in from Alameda, California again. It's been quite an eventful couple weeks. We had the CMC North conference this past weekend in at Silomar, and um now we are coming into finals week next week. So the conference was exactly what I needed to recharge for this home stretch. The first time I went to that conference was in undergrad when I was getting my degree in math for teaching. And at the time I was not sure that I would go into education. I always thought that math education is not the best that it can be because how can something how can a subject that is so human, right? Problem solving and logic building, reasoning, how can something that should be so humanizing make people feel that they are less than others? You know, like we all have met a person that says they are not a math person, but I feel like we never really meet people that says, like, I'm not an English person, or I'm not a history person, or not a US gov person. But this is the single subject that always impact a person's identity. So at the time when I was in my undergrad, I wanted to be a part of that change. But the logical side of me was also saying I'm probably not new to that. Like I wasn't probably the first one to come up with this idea that math education was, you know, outdated and need to be restructured. And where you thought and challenged and all these things. I probably wasn't the first one in history of education to think of that. And how come this problem hasn't been fixed yet? How come it doesn't feel like we made much root movement? So at the time, I was really unsure if education is what I want to do. And luckily, at San Francisco State, we had the funding to go to this conference as an undergrad. And there I met a lot of educators who were passionate about, you know, making a difference in the math classrooms that care about how students thought of themselves as math doers and cared about, you know, whether our students really sustained or that they're making a positive impact on their students' math journey. And that was really the kind of the final push that I needed to dive into this pool of math education. Because I wasn't sure if I can do it. And seeing so many people that were there that had the same goal and that value the same thing gave me some hopes and made me feel that I can be a part of that change. So that was four years ago. And I skipped it last year because I was it wasn't my first year teaching, and I barely knew that December was happening, so did not sign up for the conference in time. This year Abdistrict gave us funding to go register, so I made sure to put it on my calendar right away because I knew that I needed some reminders of why we're doing this. I think anybody that goes into teaching, education in general, had these ideas about how to make an impact for the future and how do we make our students feel seen and heard and supported. But I think the day-to-day grind of teaching makes it easy to forget that those are the reasons we come into teaching, not for grading papers or making tests or, you know, calling homes. I knew that I need I will need a boost right around December, and I was not wrong. It's been a crazy semester, and somehow it feels worse than last year. But you know, my colleagues have been reassuring that I have improved. It's just that there are different groups of students you're working with, and there are more different challenges that come up every year from year to year. So, anyways, long story short was I got a chance to go through this conference and it was really a great reminder of we have to see our students as human first, and we have to care about their person before we can reach them and convince them that this education in front of them, the math in front of them, is worth doing. It's worth learning. Because I think deep down every student, even the kids that, you know, fall out of chairs for no reasons, or the kids that bring rocks out of their backpack, even those kids want to be told that they are smart and they are they're brilliant and that they're great. They might not know how to do that. They might have been trained to not know how to achieve that in the in the classroom because all teachers see might have been the behaviors. But I think deep down every person, every student would want to be celebrated. And I think CNC North um does a really good job of having sessions of educators that you know not only share their work, but also help us think about, give us a time and a space to think about why are we doing this. Yeah, it's it's been very humbling semester and um I'm looking forward to s finishing it strong. Working on trying to, you know, put some retake policy together and putting the finals together. That might be something that I will be working on next semester because I feel that the final should be a celebration, not a summative assessment of like your cumulative knowledge. So stay tuned. That would be the focus next semester. For now. Goodbye for now.

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Hey everyone, this is Jesse from Assistorial. Happy December. Um, I don't know about you all, but maybe some of you can relate. I do feel like these three weeks between Thanksgiving and uh winter break are some of the most exhausting and trickiest of the school year. Well, I am I am currently one week away from my winter break starting. Um, if you are already on winter break, congratulations. I hope that you are resting. For the rest of you that are still in it with me, we can do it five more days or however many days you have left. So uh this December I've been reflecting a lot. You know, last time we spoke, I said that my goal was to take what the kids are doing on the tables and put it on the whiteboards. And I do want to say I feel like I was being very ambitious for the month of December. So have I continued to do random groups? Yes, I have. And I'm proud of myself for that. Have we really been working on the whiteboards? Uh well, yes and no. I I definitely have been working a lot more with like in our groups making like poster presentations of certain things, and that has been really fun. I'm I'm really leaning into the gallery walk as well as the like writing down one thing you notice and one thing you wonder about another team's poster or collectively as a whole. One of the the big pushes that uh we've had in our district has been with literacy. And so I spent a lot of time with my extended algebra kids last, well, the week before last, I guess, talking about like what different words mean. And so we've been making posters of like what words are going to give us addition, what words are gonna give us subtraction and multiplication and those kinds of things. So um, that's been really I think it's it's been fun. Um, they like getting up and being able to write on different uh surfaces. Uh, so that's been cool. Um, but uh really one of my biggest points of reflection, I guess, for the month of December has really been just uh holistically about the curriculum as a whole. As one of the things I've really been thinking about is just how well put together these courses are in terms of the storytelling and the stories that are weaved in and out. And the reason why I bring it up is because this month I have missed actually missed quite a bit of school due to some family things that I've had going on. And I've just really appreciated the fact that while I was gone, my kids were still able to access math. I didn't have to leave like a bunch of worksheets and busy work for them to do because because we believe so strongly about implementing the curriculum with integrity and following the the things and really giving the ownership to the kids, they were able to really function kind of without me uh while I was gone. And when I came back uh this week on Friday, um, or last week, I guess, when you're hearing this on Friday, like we I I had to clarify some things as one does, but but really like we were able to kind of pick up where they left off while I was gone. And that was that was really that was really cool. It was it was one of those signs that I feel like, you know, they're really taking a hold of their math education and feeling like they can do it, feeling like they are, they have the authority in the classroom to do it. Uh and so that was just a really cool moment that I wanted to share with all of you because it really, it's it really does pay off when when we when we lean into the implementation with integrity or fidelity, however you want to say it. Now, I will say, I will also say that I do have a wonderful sub that subbed for me while I was gone that can do the math and um can help in that respect. But he also, because he has been in our classrooms a lot, he knows what our philosophy is and the philosophy behind the curriculum and all of that. And so while they're they're not getting a lot of like the student talking strategies and the you know that kind of stuff while he's there because and they weren't even working in random groups because I'm not gonna put that on a sub, they were still able to like do the math and learn stuff, and it was it was just really cool. So it was kind of a nice little December gift for me. So I am looking forward. We have a spirit week all week this week. So I'm looking forward to wearing pajamas on Monday to school because it's pajama day, and also Tuesday happens to be the 67th day of school. So myself and a colleague uh have some shenanigans definitely planned for that. So I know that a lot of us out there are really enjoying this whole 6'7 movement, but we're gonna lean into it pretty hard on Tuesday, and I'm I'm pretty excited about it. So um hang in there, one more week to go. And uh I hope everybody has a restful winter break. Um, thanks for listening to my reflections and ramblings today. And I hope that uh you all have a wonderful break and a very happy new year. And we'll talk again in 2026 when hopefully I'm feeling a little bit more refreshed and really ready to tackle them the vertical non-permanent spaces. All right, thanks for listening. Bye.

SPEAKER_02:

So that is all we have time for on this episode of the More Math for More People podcast. If you are interested in connecting with us on social media, find our links in the podcast description. And the music for the podcast was created by Julius H. It can be found on pixabay.com. So thank you very much, Julius. Join us in two weeks for the next episode of More Math for More People. What day will that be, Joel?

SPEAKER_04:

It'll be January 13th, 2026. Printing Ink Day. Uh labeling for medical, scrapbooking, all sorts of things. A sticker, we made it my label to label. And my job as a printing press operator was to take different maths for each color. So we have like magenta black and yellow, and we put them together to create magic that you see stickers and so I'd be happy to share that story. Can't wait to see it on January the 13th.